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Post by Fourever Charmed on Nov 15, 2009 22:17:10 GMT -5
Awesome episode.  Some general thoughts, Drea is an interesting character. So many levels to her character already. She must be a really fun character to write.  I love the chemistry between Bianca and Chris. I've converted to Team Bianca. I'm bothered by Bianca being pregnant though, ( IMHO) it just seems like a way to bring more power to the CO's. And I feel that, over the last couple of seasons, C:RR has become too pregnancy orientated. That said, I do like the continuity displayed through the pregnancy. Such as the mother having the ability to tap into a portion of the baby's power and such. Also, I like the powers given to baby Halliwerry. Both Premonitions and Glamouring are powers which are already established and haven't suffered the same kind of abuse as other powers did on Charmed (cough Telekinesiscough). Thanks so much for reviewing!  It makes me feel good inside.  Haha, yes, Drea is a lot of fun to write! There's a lot going on with her and getting into that mindset is very different and very exciting after experiencing the other characters for so long. Yes! I feel accomplished hearing you say you're on Team Bianca. lol I do see what you mean about the pregnancies though. It just happened that that's how our plots worked out. And on the Pregnant Bianca plot, I do have a comment I want to make about that, but I think I'll wait until the plot's been seen through so I don't give anything away. And yes! Gah, TK/TKO/Orbing were so horribly misused on the show! We really wanted to stay traditional and be unique at the same time, so Glamouring (a WL power we've seen but that has been used very little) and Premonitions (probably the most underused and underestimated of the three CO's powers, IMHO) seemed like reasonable picks to pass onto the next next generation. Oh, and Baby Halliwerry? Haha! That made my night! |
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Post by Fishy on Nov 15, 2009 22:20:30 GMT -5
...Whoa, guys. Just whoa. ;D I think I've officially given up on speculation for this series. Everytime I think I've got something figured out, I'm proved completely wrong and find myself completely glad that I was wrong! You guys completely shocked me with this episode, yet I totally loved it! It was incredible, and I love Drea's character. She's so complicated, it's going to be fun to read her in the next couple of episodes.
Though, my favorite plot-twist - Bianca's pregnant! Whoa, I did not expect that. Though, I do have a bit of speculation on the name - Lynn or Sophia. Lynn because of Bianca's mother, and Sophia because, if I'm correct, Bianca mentioned that Sophia was the first Phoenix Witch buried in Salem. I'm still a little wary about this, though I'm definetly willing to see how you guys write this. I'm purely wary because I've read one too many fanfics with pregnant Bianca. Though, I'm pretty confident you guys are going to make it fun to read.
I need to add, just before I forget, that I do like the added layers you brought onto the Phoenixes, especially with the cremation instead of the burial. The Phoenixes are some of my favorite parts about the series.
My favorite scene tonight, though, had to be the Drea and Prue scene. It stole the show, really, and I want to know what the heck is going on already. I'll be here next week, no doubt about it.
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Post by Arclighter on Nov 17, 2009 23:58:29 GMT -5
It's Back! It's Back! It's Back! *dances*
Loving this. Didn't see any of this coming, but in retrospect it makes sense.
*claps*
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Nov 18, 2009 0:53:39 GMT -5
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Post by Twin_Swords on Nov 18, 2009 12:44:22 GMT -5
Hey guys!
I know, it's been a really REALLY really long time since I wrote here or reviewed anything. The same goes for over on the "Destined" boards, but life has kept me rather busy. Thanks for sending out the email to say that you were posting a new episode, first of all. If not for that I may not have popped over here to read it. As it was, I read the episode in spurts between taking care of my new baby girl. She's three months old now and teething already, so I've got a lot of reasons to be kept away from the computer.
At the moment though, I'm at my parents house and my Dad is watching the baby... so I have a little bit of free time to write a review. (And hopefully pop over onto Destined to give strikermac a bit of help too!) Anyway... back to the reviewing! GREAT episode guys. I was entertained throughout and agree with whoever said it that I enjoyed this just as much, if not BETTER than "Chris-Crossed" from the original series. I like the various twists that showed up, though some I wasn't completely surprised by. Even without being surprised, they were still written in such a way that I enjoyed them!
And... WOO-HOO! Matt is back again! I'm so glad to see his return. I can hardly wait for the truth about him to be revealed and how the sisters (and audience) will react. I have my theories about him, ones that I'm pretty sure are solid, which is why I'm thrilled to see that he's made a return. Ya'll are fabulous and I'm so happy that things in your lives are getting to a point where you can write again and continue this series. Thank you all for keeping Charmed alive!
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Post by Drama on Nov 18, 2009 18:06:15 GMT -5
oh! Congrats on the baby girl! That definitely keeps you away from the Internet.
Glad you're reading and thanks for leaving the review!
I cannot wait to see how people continue to feel about the other things that will come.
And for this to even be on-par with CC is amazing. It's definitely one of my Top 5 favs on the show.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2009 20:28:01 GMT -5
Actually I liked this quite a bit more than ChrisCrossed, which is not among my favorite episodes. I liked both Chris and Bianca quite a bit more here than I did in that show and more, I liked their reasons for wanting to change the future. In CC I never believed that it was to do anything but make the future better for them, who cared about the rest of the world. With a self-centered b*tch like Piper for a mother and a whimp like Leo for a father, it's not in the least bit surprising. In your series, I truly believed that they wanted to save the world, not just their own future because I truly believe that they (and Melinda) care about more than just themselves, and aren't lying, whining, self-centered brats like Original Series Chris, who I count as the True Big Bad of Charmed. Of course, that makes sense because in this one, their mother is the Piper I loved back in S1-3, just more confident and a mom, and Leo is still my angel. Those are still my favorite parts about this series, the wrong you righted more than anything else, and I thank you sincerely for that. And the love scenes, especially the baby-bump scene (which is what I always believed that Patty did while she was carrying Paige) were beautifully and believably done, much more than those scenes in ChrisCrossed. I never thought a Piper and Leo plotline along with a Chris and Bianca plotline would be my favorite part of an episode, but it is. Very good job. My other favorite part was Prue. I loved her reaction towards finding out about Drea; it's so typical our protective mother-figure--she seems more like the Prue I love much, much more here than she did in the rest of the series. I think Adult Drea blew it by attacking her mother--had she not, she might have succeeded in having her mother not believe her cousins and thwarting whatever their plans are. Speaking of, I love the idea of Drea having been raised by Lilith--it helps make the entire series come together nicely--along with her lover being Volac--it reminds me a bit of Phoebe and Anton, still my favorite Phoebe-ship since it makes the guys she's attracted to (like Cole) make sense. What I didn't like was Drea hating Prue because Prue died and left her. That reminded me too much of Original Series Chris hating Leo because Leo left him, which always just makes me roll my eyes--oh, poor baby! At least unlike Chris, Drea isn't pretending to be good, anything but. If she did, she might have been able to convince Prue that it's the twins and Bianca who are truly evil, which would've been very interesting, since it would make the viewers wonder, too--had they been the true evils, it would've made a heckova twist, since of course everyone expects Chris to be the good guy. As is, I truly hope there is no way to save Drea and that the sisters end up having to either bind her powers or vanquish her. Knowing how hard that would be on the sisters, especially Prue, would make great drama, much more than what Charmed did in turning both Wyatt and Chris into good guys when one of them remaining evil and needing to be vanquished (and anyone who knows me knows which one I think should've been vanquished before he was even born) would've been so much more dramatic. I also didn't like Jason romancing Phoebe with all of the stuff he could give her. That also reminded me too much of Original Series Jason and PhoeME/Freebie from the show, so I'm glad your Phoebe isn't impressed. I wouldn't mind if she ends up falling for him (although I'd prefer her with Drake, but since he's the best guy I'm sure he'll end up with Paige), but I want it to be for who he is, not what he can give to her, and I believe that like Original Series S1-2 Phoebs, your Phoebe isn't as shallow as PhoeME/Freebie and will react that way. You can definitely tell she's never been the Queen of the Underworld, and I'm glad--she's a grownup version of my Phoebs and I love that. Thank you so much for giving her back to us. Then there's Paige, the twins' favorite aunt and the one who came up with the answer of how to save the world.  Why wasn't I surprised? And hallelujah, Matt's back! Despite what happened, I liked him with Prue so much more than Mitch (who just seems like a rebound for Prue, the way Jason seems like a rebound for Phoebe) I wonder if he knows about Drea (both baby Drea and adult Drea) and what he'll do when he finds out. I hope he gets to be part of the solution. Being able to put out an episode a week isn't easy--I think you're the only Charmed virtual series that has succeeded in doing that. You should all be very, very, *very* proud of what you've all done. If I read Kate's article properly and there truly is only five episodes of C:RR left, I'll be much, much sadder to see this one end than I was to see the original end. Despite my many, many problems with St. Paige, the only one who in this episode is nothing like the version of the character who I love on the show (in Paige's case, the one from S4 and S8), despite the name, the looks, the powers and the VW bug, this series has helped me get through the no-Charmed abyss in my life and I'll always be grateful to you guys for that. . |
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Post by Quadquetra on Nov 18, 2009 22:19:12 GMT -5
this episode was really good. I will write my review later lol im currently studying for a chemistry test, ugh, but i wanted to pop in and ask you guys if this was the last season? I hope not because i cant wait to see the next obstacle they face especially when everyone's back in their time. But yeah like the others have said if they do save Drea then the baby would cease to exist.
lol but anyway is this the last 5 episodes?
and also great job guys
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Post by Astral Echo on Nov 19, 2009 16:56:18 GMT -5
See I don't see the Saint Paige that your seeing Es, I always disliked the character on the show, I only really liked her in the later stages of S4 - and that's it. I wouldn't allow her to become the centre of the series, this is about four sisters (yes four, that's what is special about CRR) not a sister and her other three sisters. Your analysis of Mitch and Jason being rebounds is kind of correct but that's very natural particularly for women who aren't getting any younger and in Prue's case, with baby baggage! However the relationships have their own merits too, Prue "liked" Mitch previously, they connected - perhaps not as strongly as Andy and Matt but Andy died and Matt is completely unreliable and untrustworthy; she still needs a man in her life, Drea still needs a father. And as Phoebe and Jason, Cole died, she has to move on from that. Our Pheebs wouldn't want to be a lonely spinster regardless of how she felt about Cole. Jason can give her the world and what girl can turn that down, especially when he comes as a good looking, caring and loving package. Jason is safe. Mitch is safe. They're both not gonna keep looking for Mr Right when they've both had there fair shares of those. However, thanks for comments. They give us all some food for thought. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2009 19:58:18 GMT -5
Oh, please don't tell me you're going to repeat one of Brad Kern's worst mistakes, thinking that a woman is nothing without a man. Neither Phoebe or Prue *needs* a man, especially Prue. Drea doesn't need a father, not when she has Prue as a mother and Leo as the best male figure in her life that a little girl could have. Marrying just to give her a father is absolutely the worst reason to get married, and so very unfair to Prue, Mitch and Drea. I truly hope that when the show is finally over we'll see that one of the sisters has decided to remain a single working woman, no matter if she's a mother or not, and is very happy doing so. That way you can right one of the Original Series' worst wrongs, the way they rushed Phoebe and Paige into marriage when both would've done just fine on their own rather than (in Phoebe's case) marrying the wrong guy just because he could be the father to her daughter. Sound familiar?? Now, if Prue is truly falling for Mitch because he's a wonderful guy (which doesn't appear to be the case so far--their relationship reminds me much more of Prue with Jack--Prue *wanting* to be in love-- than Prue with Andy, Prue actually in love), that's something totally different, and even if I'm still rooting for Matt, if Drea *isn't* the reason for her falling, then go for it! Speaking of S2, this whole triangle reminds me of the Leo, Piper and Dan one, and being magical, Matt reminds me of Leo who can understand Prue much better than the mortal Mitch, who reminds me of Dan. I was rooting for Piper and Leo throughout Season Two, although I can now admit that despite being in love, Piper made the wrong choice for both her and Leo--the fact that Leo ended up becoming her little errand boy proves that, while if Piper had been honest with Dan rather than using him, the way Paige was honest with Henry, and Piper had told Dan about her powers much, much sooner than she did and he could've accepted it, he would've made her the best husband by being able to give her the normal homelife that she craved so much, a homelife Prue neither craves or needs. So maybe in the season finale I'll find out that I was rooting for the wrong couple in this triangle, too, since although I can guess Mitch's huge secret, I obviously don't know and if I'm wrong, that could totally change my mind. We shall see. As for Phoebe, what I hate the most is after I thought that your Phoebe and your Cole truly loved each other, rather than just being obsessed with each other like Original Series Phoebe and Cole, you're letting your Phoebe prove how very, very little she truly loved Cole by falling for someone else so soon, just like PhoeME did on the Original Series, even using the same guy. Had she met Jason in S7, or if she had met him in S6 but was more cautious with him, perhaps having a "fun relationship" with someone else first, like Prue with Jack, then this wouldn't be bothering me so much. But this is much, much too soon for someone who was supposed to have been so much in love. It reminds me much too much of the way Brad Kern treated love--be madly in love with someone, but then totally forget him the episode after that guy is gone. Of course I don't want Phoebe to be a lonely spinster (although I don't think any of them would be that; they're all too lovely and all too talented), but if she doesn't fall in love and get married the year after losing the great love of her life, it sure doesn't mean that she won't find someone and fall for that someone later in life, even the following year, but not because he dazzles her with all the things that he can give her. Ditto for Prue. If she suddenly found out that someone who she always thought was just a friend was suddenly something else, someone she truly loved, it would be beautiful. Just falling in love in order to find a father for her daughter isn't. As far as Jason goes, part of it is that I just see the same Jason I saw on the original--someone who can offer Phoebe the world but would constantly distract her from what's truly important, her work as a Charmed One--and I want so very much more than that for her now that she's back to being my Phoebs--I want more than that for all of them, and up to this point, only Piper and Chris have found that. Again I might be wrong and your Jason might be a much, much better man than Original Series Jason, someone who can help Phoebs become an even better witch and better woman rather than being the catalyst who led her into becoming the PhoeME/Freebie I hated, and if that's the case, no one will cheer louder or admit quicker that she was wrong... We shall see. I'm glad. And I'm even more glad now that I've read the latest "news" and found out that I read "The final 6 episodes" wrong in the previous article's title--that it's the final 6 epsiodes of the SEASON not the series. YAY! CRR isn't ending yet, after all!! Naturally I was curious that only Holly and Alyssa had re-signed their contracts, making me wonder what will happen to the rest of the cast--great teaser there! And "Dreja All Over Again" Oh, perfect! Of all the things you guys do, titles are abolutely the best. I can't wait til Sunday. |
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Post by Astral Echo on Nov 19, 2009 23:02:46 GMT -5
You seem to think very little of the characters, if you don't wish them to be happy. Sure they don't need men but whether you wish to see it or not, Prue and Phoebe want men to be a part of their lives. We wouldn't of seen Prue trying to make it work with the long string of men after Andy (and yes it is long, considering Andy was only dead for two years before she died herself.) Prue wants to have a man in her life, she saw a world where she didn't and she hated that, that world made her quit Bucklands to pursue what she really wanted in life.
Prue may seem like the hard faced, witch but she isn't as tough as she makes out. She wants a man, MB proves this. She wants a family, Secrets and Guys proves that this is something that in the future she wants just as much as her sisters. (And now we're in the future, five years into the future, time for that family, I think!)
Remember the above is canon, this is the Prue you claim to adore, the evidence is there, Prue wants a family, she wants happiness, she wants exactly what most people desire.
Phoebe on the other hand is actually more indecisive. Which is something Kern did tackle with, something we've done too. In both canon and CRR, Phoebe struggles to deal with her commitment issues - in CRR she didn't know how much she loved Cole until he was gone. But he's gone. You can't expect her to never move on and besides, it's not like she's jumped straight into the deep end with Jason, she's very cautious of falling too far, too fast. If you were to pick up on these details, you'd see that alot of what your saying is simply your opinion and your own theories.
If you look at what I originally posted, I said they were "kind of rebounds". See the 'kind of', it's important.
Prue wants happiness, she envisions having this happiness with Mitch. Who can blame her for falling for him?
Phoebe wants someone to mend her broken her heart, she wants someone to fill the void in her heart. She knows Cole can't do this, he's dead and she's just learning to accept that. But Jason can offer this fulfillment, he can be what she wants and more.
However I accept that they are settling for the first guys that come into their lives after the respective loss (or abandonment) of their partners. But if those guys are right for them, why wait to find someone else. Phoebe made that mistake in the original series, she settled for Miles and got hurt, she settled for Jason (note he is different than the original Jason, if your not convinced then please don't make your mind up just yet!) and got hurt and then a very, very long list of men followed. Is that what you want for her? Or Prue for that matter!?
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Nov 20, 2009 15:25:32 GMT -5
As for Phoebe, what I hate the most is after I thought that your Phoebe and your Cole truly loved each other, rather than just being obsessed with each other like Original Series Phoebe and Cole, you're letting your Phoebe prove how very, very little she truly loved Cole by falling for someone else so soon, just like PhoeME did on the Original Series, even using the same guy. Had she met Jason in S7, or if she had met him in S6 but was more cautious with him, perhaps having a "fun relationship" with someone else first, like Prue with Jack, then this wouldn't be bothering me so much. But this is much, much too soon for someone who was supposed to have been so much in love. It reminds me much too much of the way Brad Kern treated love--be madly in love with someone, but then totally forget him the episode after that guy is gone. Of course I don't want Phoebe to be a lonely spinster (although I don't think any of them would be that; they're all too lovely and all too talented), but if she doesn't fall in love and get married the year after losing the great love of her life, it sure doesn't mean that she won't find someone and fall for that someone later in life, even the following year, but not because he dazzles her with all the things that he can give her. Actually Es, going by your theory, Prue loved Andy even less than Phoebe loved Cole. Prue, after all, was going on dates with Jack within three months (potentially less) of Andy's death - Prue's first love, her high school sweetheart, a man she'd known pratically her entire life - and was lip locking Bane within four months of his death. She also didn't come to the realization that Jack was only Mr. Right Now until "Reckless Abandon," another episode (in addition to "Secrets & Guys" [S1] and "Morality Bites" [S2] that Dan already cited - and "Bride and Gloom" [S3]) that proves that she's always wanted to find a husband, get married, and raise a family. By contrast, Phoebe grieved deeply for over two months after Cole's death (still visiting the mausoleum ritualistically every morning and wearing the engagement ring Cole got her ever since he died). She was in mourning so much so that she couldn't even spend a tiny portion of the huge inheritence Cole left her in his Will because she felt that if she spent his money, she would be giving him away. Also, she didn't even call Jason until over five and a half months after Cole had died and only because Paige and Piper pushed her into it because they could tell she liked him, and Phoebe even had to "ask" Cole at the mausoleum for a sign if he opposed before she agreed to call Jason, then she didn't even go on an official date with him until nearly a half a year after Cole had died (he died in May and Phoebe went on her first official date with Jason in November). Cole, in comparison with Andy, was a man Phoebe had known for about two years and five months when he died, whereas Prue had known Andy a lifetime. I don't understand how you can even begin to say that Phoebe moved on too fast after nearly a half a year and yet Prue moving on after about three months (at most) was okay. I also fail to see how taking her to a horse ranch is "[dazzling] her with all the things he can give her." That's ridiculous. He's a multi-millionaire! He could've taken her anywhere he wanted and showered her with luxury and instead he took her to a ranch to ride a horse. That's probably one of the most inexpensive dates he could've taken her on. |
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Post by Astral Echo on Nov 20, 2009 16:44:44 GMT -5
I also fail to see how taking her to a horse ranch is "[dazzling] her with all the things he can give her." That's ridiculous. He's a multi-millionaire! He could've taken her anywhere he wanted and showered her with luxury and instead he took her to a ranch to ride a horse. That's probably one of the most inexpensive dates he could've taken her on. Also, Cole took Phoebe to Paris. I think that's a little more luxurious that a horse ranch. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2009 9:53:17 GMT -5
I also fail to see how taking her to a horse ranch is "[dazzling] her with all the things he can give her." That's ridiculous. He's a multi-millionaire! He could've taken her anywhere he wanted and showered her with luxury and instead he took her to a ranch to ride a horse. That's probably one of the most inexpensive dates he could've taken her on. Also, Cole took Phoebe to Paris. I think that's a little more luxurious that a horse ranch. LOL, you guys are absolutely right about that. You've done a great job of making me like Piper, Phoebe and Chris much much more than I liked them in the latter seasons. I should give you a chance rather than still seeing the same guy who ruined my Phoebs when I read his name. My bad. Carry on. |
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Post by Drama on Nov 21, 2009 12:39:19 GMT -5
We're trying to give everyone a shot from the old to the new. You know my feelings on Phoebe/Jason. So I'm glad they get a shot but yes, the Phoebes are different and she can't be bought. I'm really glad you're living Piper, Phoebe, and Chris more here. This Chris works better than in the show. They tried too many things with him on the show, and here, we have twins, so Melinda and Chris can 'split personalities.' |
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