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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2009 16:47:44 GMT -5
Not sure if any of this includes spoilers, but just to be on the safe side: Exactly so. Even more so, I love the fact that Drea is much more the way I thought that Chris *should've* been played, especially had you added Chris' lies and sneakiness to her. . . Now you know why I hope that either she is vanquished or her powers are bound.  And, yes, Drama, I *do* know about you and Phoebe/Jason, which is probably part of what irritated me so much when he's the one that she's going with right after you guys get rid of Cole--I think you can see why it hit me the way it did--you'd done Cole's and Phoebe's relationship so beautifully, so much better than Kern did it, to make it seem so insignificant so soon... *shakes head* Now if only that love was as big as I thought it was, so your Phoebe had been allowed to let the hole in her heart heal rather than trying to fill it with someone else right away, or if she realized that what she was doing wasn't fair to either her or Jason, and if Jason loved her enough to just be her friend until it's truly healed, rather than romancing her as your Jason is doing, the way Original Prue did with Jack after losing Andy (although I could never see Jack being that much of a friend--it's why I was glad when you let Matt be that way for her), it would've been a perfect ending for Cole and Phoebe's love story and a perfect beginning to Phoebe and Jason's--I would've been madly in love with your Jason because he'd proven with his actions that he's all the things you say he is and which I haven't seen--he's still a rich guy trying to romance a beautiful, vulnerable woman, just like Original Jason, unlike your Cole who let you Phoebe know that he was rich after they were already in love--he didn't need to show her all of the things he could give her to make her fall in love with him like Jason is doing; he just needed to love her. I'm just sad that you didn't give Cole and Phoebe's love story the ending it deserved after you guys came so close to giving us a perfect love story for them. Having had that hole in my heart and having tried to fill it with another guy too soon, I know the way it can backfire on you and so has my dad since he lost my mom to death. Fortunately he's now found a woman who was willing to just be a friend until that hole healed and now rather than being in love with the idea of being in loved like he was with the other woman, and like it appears that your Phoebe is with your Jason or that the Original Phoebe was with all of her slampieces including Cupid, at age 79 he's happier and more in love than he's ever been before and I'm thrilled for him, and I have a hunch somewhere Mom is thrilled for him, too. I don't think Cole is thrilled for Jason and Phoebe, and I hope he comes back and tells them so! What Debbie and Dad and Mom have, that's the sort of thing that I wanted for Cole and Phoebe and Jason. But, as you said, by making Phoebe different and by making Jason different (although I haven't seen any differences yet), you can give them the story that they should've had. If the love your Phoebe had for your Cole wasn't as large as I thought it was, so the hole in her heart wasn't really that big and it was already healed before she met Jason, then more power to both of them. And since you have your Phoebe thinking, "Oh, Cole's dead, I can't love him anymore, and I need a man, so I better go fall in love with someone else", obviously it wasn't as big as I thought it was. Sad. Oh, well. I'll just have to think it that way so I can enjoy the rest of the series. But Jason's going to have to prove himself to me a bit more. As I said before--Carry on! |
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Post by Prudence on Nov 22, 2009 14:11:10 GMT -5
Not to be off topic or anything but I had to comment JustEs that I have always loved your banner and it is so true. I tonight's story was a great follow up to blast from the future and had some twists that I never thought you would go for. Finally Paige got to visit the future just like her other sisters did and may learn vital info that will help this horrid future change. Also chills at the thought that Dedra and Volac distroyed Prue and Andy's specail swing. Although it was hinted in the last episode that Dedra didn't kill her mother but I still thought that she may have have some how been responsible but was relieved/saddened to find out she died before Dedra turned neutral. Also I know that alot of people didn't like Matt but I liked him and was glade to see him again, yet my opion might change because by Bianca's reaction and words led me believe that Matt was somehow responsible for the future he was trying to stop which again reminded me of Terminator. Glade to hear about Bianca's family history of her dad and always wondered what may have happened to him, thought it was a great justure to name her baby after him but Chris might not like it, which I hope he does. Can't wait for next week's episode, keep up the good work |
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Post by Arclighter on Nov 24, 2009 23:35:21 GMT -5
RE: Dreajà Vu All Over Again  Loved this episode! Instead of going over who ruined what and all the emotional baggage that goes along with that, I'll simply say that I can honestly see these script-stories working for actual television. Now that that's out of the way... The interaction and dialogue between everyone is simply spot on. I've always seen Prue as a hot head, and this episode pretty much galvanized that in my mind. I think she got more from Grams than she thinks. Penny was always a quickdraw, and Prue is just like her. The bit with the swing made me feel empathetic towards Drea. Not sure how I feel about that. Personally, I want to hate her. But in reality, I don't think it's her fault. The whole orphan connection with Volac seems to fit. Although I'm not sure what to think about Volac. Sure, he was created by the source... but he's part witch too. I have this sneaky suspicion that he's going to end up pulling a Cole in the end. I mean, sure he's unpredictable. Even still, love can worm its way into the weirdest places. Everything I've seen though, it's like he's having a huge tantrum. Lilith is the one I'm worried about. Where in the Underworld is she? Here's a funny for you, I'm seeing a dark haired Marne Patterson playing Lilith in my head. Heh. |
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Nov 25, 2009 0:54:17 GMT -5
Here's a funny for you, I'm seeing a dark haired Marne Patterson playing Lilith in my head. Heh. Oh no, don't do that! Mainly because when I think of MP I just think of Crazy and it invokes anger in my heart. Lillith is played by Alisen Down:  |
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Post by Arclighter on Nov 25, 2009 3:07:26 GMT -5
I know, I know... I couldn't help it. Sorry. |
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Post by Lexi on Nov 27, 2009 14:54:03 GMT -5
CRR 6x17 Review To start with, I’m so happy there’s new episodes. I know I’m a couple of weeks behind, everything my end got really hectic, but I couldn’t wait to read the new episode after the ending to episode 16. Now then, onto the review I love that you start up on Golden Gate Bridge with Chris and Melinda. I love the two of them. I wasn’t really a big fan of Chris on the original show, it wasn’t that I didn’t like the actor or the character in general, it was how the writers made him seem like an evil force who was after Wyatt, by splitting up Leo and Piper and causing Leo to become an Elder rather than a younger brother who just wanted to save his older brother and his family and the world at the same time.
This Chris, although he is quiet and standoffish, I like him. He’s careful to not get in the way and change anything that wasn’t meant to be changed and he loves his sister a lot. Also, I love that you mention his sensing powers are advanced. It means that he’s not just some random half-Whitelighter, and his Warren lineage does count towards something.
I loved the twist that the first Bianca was actually Drea. So one of her powers is glamouring, is that originally a power of her own or somebody else’s? I guess I’ll have to keep reading to find out but its an interesting start to bring both Bianca and Drea from the future right at the start of the episode.
The first glimpse of the future in this episode was interesting and extremely dramatic. Its great that you’ve started with action, is this what we’re to expect until the season finale? I hope so, I don’t mind the next few episodes of full action.
When did Jason become such a big part in Phoebe’s life? I know he was in an episode or two before the break but I’d have thought she would have still been healing over Cole’s death rather than jumping on the next guy that comes into her life, showing interest. Please tell me that this relationship isn’t going to go really quick.
The way you’ve written Bianca is brilliant. There’s still the Phoenix side to her but she doesn’t seem as cold as Original Bianca. She’s smart too, you’ve really brought out her character just within the space of half an episode.
The one thing that I’m really glad about is that it was Paige who’s done the majority of the planning rather than it all being Chris, Melinda and Bianca. I’m glad that a Charmed One could survive long enough to do anything she could to save her family. Better than it all being about the kids.
I love the interaction between Prue and Drea, its perfect chemistry between them and I can really picture them together like that.
Its interesting magic that Lillith has, managing to trap Drea and stop her from being able to use her powers against her. What I am interested in is what happened to Prue and how exactly did Lillith end up raising her. Did Prue die at Lillith’s hands protecting Drea after all, and Lillith has just lied to Drea all her life or did Prue do something she always promised she wouldn’t do?
Bless Baby Drea, its lucky Prue was holding her when Drea attacked. She has a knack for sensing evil, I’m guessing, or is just good at protecting her mother when needed. And Bianca coming to save Chris just in the nick of time. How did she know to shimmer in just then?
Ok, my question was answered straight away! Bianca’s pregnant! An interesting twist. I’m glad you put an explanation for the majority of everything in this episode, but one thing that hasn’t been explained is how did Bianca get back? Did she keep some of Paige’s blood to make another potion if needed?
I wonder what had happened to Matt, since he hadn’t been mentioned all episode. So, why is he back? Did he return to keep Prue safe or is there another reason to do with Lillith? I can’t wait to see what you do with him.
Over-all, I love the episode and love all the flashbacks. All the detail into what happens in the future is perfect and just what was needed to piece together exactly why Melinda and Chris have come back. I’m looking forward to seeing more between Prue and Drea, I can’t wait to find out the truth as to how Prue died and how Lillith raised Drea. There’s my review, now onto episode 18 Another great way to start the episode, jumping straight in with Prue finding out about Matt. At first I wondered what was going on, why had Matt just shown up like that but then I realised that it was a premonition that Bianca was having. I’m not too sure I like the fact that Bianca is starting to become a main player, I was expecting her to be on the sidelines since she is just a guest character and I can’t help but wonder how Bianca’s baby can just have random premonitions. I guess I’ll just have to wait and see if you explain that one.
The Prue-Paige moment was lovely, its great how close the two have become even though they knocked heads quite a lot at first. It shows how much they have grown, especially for Prue to turn to her as if she was Piper.
The flashback of Drea makes me wonder just how evil she really is. Its almost like she’s a depressed little girl just acting out to be loved. The flashback really helps to bring out her character, I really liked it, especially with how she seems to connect to Volac.
Interesting that you’ve taken Paige and Chris to the future with Drea. I’m guessing that you did it for a reason. Paige because her blood is needed for everyone else to get there and Chris because Drea seems to always go after him – is there any reason for that? Or with reading on, maybe Drea knows that Bianca is pregnant so Chris will do anything to save her and his unborn daughter.
I like how smart Drea is, its refreshing to have an evil that isn’t just all power but actually thinks everything through first – a lot like Zankou, that was what made me like him so much in the original show. However, Volac, he just seems a little pointless in the future. The younger him comes across as much more powerful and threatening. The future Volac just seems like a normal demon and kind of like a minion to Drea. I just can’t picture them together.
Trust Phoebe to try and lighten the mood. I do really like how you’ve kept her character the same ‘baby sister’ in the first three seasons. Even with how much she grew up with Cole, she still has that young, childish self to her.
Haha, Piper hitting Matt over the head with the pan was classic. It really put a smile on my face. And his explanation on why he had a picture of Prue and Mitch was needed.
Now then, why doesn’t Matt know who Bianca is and what’s happened in the future for him to be alive again – or was someone lying about his death. I’m a little curious as to whether Matt is good or evil at the moment, something just doesn’t seem to add up with him.
Anyway, another great episode with some great action. I’m looking forward to seeing how Paige’s potions will turn out, what the first one does and what the one she has in her hand does. The run up to the season finale is definitely interesting. Well, until next time, great episodes |
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Post by Chris on Nov 29, 2009 21:13:19 GMT -5
Mini review for Tonight's Episode OH! MY! GOD!!!!!! Um... I'm in utter shock. Like seriously I have no idea what to think of these latest developments! Okay so first of all I wanna say I LOVED the scenes where Trish sent Phoebe to look in the past. On the original series they only show bits and pieces, but you guys go so in depth that it gives A LOT of information.
AND AND AND!!! The return of the Rowen Coven! Loooove it! I hated that they died and never came back or was even mentioned in the original series... but you guys of course made them return... or at least in other terms. If you know what I mean.
Okay so there's ONE thing I really really wanna discuss. The ending of the episode! I knew it had to be juicy since Mel was threatening Matt and all, but ANDY?! So I want to get this thing straightened out... Matt really IS Andy right? No jokes and no confusion? Like he REALLY is Andy? If so, I'm exstatic!! And I wonder what Prue's gonna do with her behavior being affected towards Matt/Andy and all. |
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Post by Drama on Nov 29, 2009 21:24:09 GMT -5
Read next week, Chris. |
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Post by Chris on Nov 29, 2009 21:26:27 GMT -5
Why oh why must you always do that to me?! You know I can't keep my patience in when it comes to C:RR...
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Nov 29, 2009 21:29:47 GMT -5
Hehe. I thought you might enjoy this one, Chris. OH! MY! GOD!!!!!! Um... I'm in utter shock. Like seriously I have no idea what to think of these latest developments! Okay so first of all I wanna say I LOVED the scenes where Trish sent Phoebe to look in the past. On the original series they only show bits and pieces, but you guys go so in depth that it gives A LOT of information. Ditto that. The majority of my favorite episodes from the series were the time travel episodes, but it never seemed like enough. I always wished they would've explored more of the past too. AND AND AND!!! The return of the Rowen Coven! Loooove it! I hated that they died and never came back or was even mentioned in the original series... but you guys of course made them return... or at least in other terms. If you know what I mean. Glad you liked that. It always seemed a little too open-and-shut for me as well. I'm glad we were able to extract a little more from that early S1 storyline. Okay so there's ONE thing I really really wanna discuss. The ending of the episode! I knew it had to be juicy since Mel was threatening Matt and all, but ANDY?! So I want to get this thing straightened out... Matt really IS Andy right? No jokes and no confusion? Like he REALLY is Andy? If so, I'm exstatic!! And I wonder what Prue's gonna do with her behavior being affected towards Matt/Andy and all. Hahaha. Aw, I love it! Now that you've read this episode, I'd suggest re-reading "Costume Calamity" and other (especially early season four) episodes with Matt. |
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Post by Drama on Nov 29, 2009 21:38:19 GMT -5
I'm a mean bitch; I know this. *hugs*
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Post by Arclighter on Nov 30, 2009 1:46:02 GMT -5
I knew it!
I knew it I knew it I knew it I knew it !!!!!
*dances about the room in a mad tizzy*
YES!
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Nov 30, 2009 1:55:01 GMT -5
I knew it! I knew it I knew it I knew it I knew it !!!!! *dances about the room in a mad tizzy* YES! I'm curious, when was your first inkling? |
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Post by Arclighter on Nov 30, 2009 3:30:33 GMT -5
In all actuality, it was more of a pipe dream hope than anything else. I knew he couldn't be completely gone from things. But... Andy was prevented from being summoned. I took that to mean that he was either being recycled, or was given the offer of becoming a whitelighter. If he was recycled, then the story of how he came to remember things and etcetera would be neat to get to explore. Then again, if he was given his wings and went rogue to save Prue... then that will be all the more intense. Him having a spirit board and seemingly unrelated abilities from a whitelighter seems to suggest he was reincarnated either as a witch or some other magical being. Then on the other hand... whitelighters are prevented from being seen by the people they knew in life as they looked when they were alive, and the spirit board could be how he keeps in touch with Penny. Whichever it turns out to be will have me reading like a little kid, though.  *squees again* |
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Post by Twin_Swords on Dec 2, 2009 11:28:00 GMT -5
First and foremost... Great episode yet again guys! You continue to please your audience! And now... my review for 6:19... Bwah hah hah! I knew it! I was right. All the little details were pointing to the big shocker reveal at the end of the latest episode (6:19) and I really like the way you did it too. I can just picture the flabbergasted and disbelieving look on Prue's face in my mind. Andy! It was perfect. There were so many little things that "Matt" did or said that reminded me of Andy. Like his knowledge of Prue's fondess for Twizzlers. His penchant for conjuring a gun first over any other object he mind think to summon... a former cop would feel most comfortable with his firearm in hand when facing danger. And so much more... for a while I had been keeping notes of the different things that made me think that it was Andy. I'm not entirely sure when the first "eureka!" moment hit me when I had the idea that it might be so. But when the thought hit, I started keeping track of all the fabulous little hints you all were dropping. Unfortuntely that list was lost when I suffered a computer crash, so the only way to get it back would be to either go back in time (alas, unlike the characters of C:RR I don't have the magic ability to do this!) or to just go back and re-read the episodes and note everything down again. Prue's connection with Matt was very much another one of those soul-mate connections. I'll be sad to see Matt go if and when the time comes... I can't wait to see what the Future Patrol (Mel, Chris, and Bianca) are going to do about this! And even more... I look forward to next week and seeing how the Charmed Ones themselves react to this! But it certainly does explain why Drea was never meant to be. Andy was dead... so, that definitely throws a wrench in the Master Plan. I don't think he's a whitelighter returned... not with all the obvious "witch stuff" and he's shown no whitelighter abilities. If his Matt appearance was just a glamour, then he would've (or should've) been able to drop it himself instead of needing Piper to recite a spell. If his soul was recycled, then wouldn't he have returned as an infant and not a grown man? So, that seems improbable as well. And him coming from the future too seems a little confusing. I'm not sure how that works. Or how, if that's the case and he's a "reborn Andy" from the future, returned to the past... how did he get his past life's memories and why was he born a witch in the future and... well, you see that raises a lot of questions. This last bit is probably better suited for the "Speculations and Theories" thread rather than the review... but it is part of my review. Why? Well, because I know that no matter what the reasoning and explanations are -- you guys have them! And they will be brilliantly unfolded to us, your audience. Unlike the latter seasons of the original series, C:RR is thoughtful and considers continuity! I love that most about this series and how everything that has been established is held accountable as episodes continue to progress. Thank you for the explanations of all the different ways one can become a warlock in this episode! I felt that was something that "Charmed" failed to point out and you all did a GREAT job of clearing it up. Loving everything, including the revelation that the Rowe Coven was linked to the Charmed Ones. I had always wondered and speculated about that... and Charmed never explored the potential there. I'm so glad that you all have and have embraced it! I can't wait to see what happens next! Until next time! |
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Loved this episode!
