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Post by Fourever Charmed on Dec 2, 2009 13:28:14 GMT -5
Unfortuntely that list was lost when I suffered a computer crash, so the only way to get it back would be to either go back in time (alas, unlike the characters of C:RR I don't have the magic ability to do this!) or to just go back and re-read the episodes and note everything down again. Prue's connection with Matt was very much another one of those soul-mate connections. I'll be sad to see Matt go if and when the time comes... Aw, I'm sorry to hear about the computer crash. That really sucks! I would have loved to have seen your list. It's always so interesting to see connections people make. Unlike the latter seasons of the original series, C:RR is thoughtful and considers continuity! I love that most about this series and how everything that has been established is held accountable as episodes continue to progress. Thank you for the explanations of all the different ways one can become a warlock in this episode! I felt that was something that "Charmed" failed to point out and you all did a GREAT job of clearing it up. I'm glad you appreciate that. It always bugged me in the first three seasons that how warlocks come to be kept getting changed: in the first episode it was good witches gone bad, then at the end of season one it was that warlocks are born warlocks, and then in season three familiars who turn evil turn into warlocks. Yet each time it changed, there was no explanation and the sisters never seemed to question it (or remember their earlier dealings with different types of warlocks). Really, instead of showing us new ways to teleport, they could've dropped that into a multiple choice test question at Magic School or something.  Loving everything, including the revelation that the Rowe Coven was linked to the Charmed Ones. I had always wondered and speculated about that... and Charmed never explored the potential there. I'm so glad that you all have and have embraced it! Ditto! The Rowe Coven could've been a really good idea, but they kind of dropped the ball back in season one. I know they probably just thought of it and ran with it, but it could've been much better executed as a seasonal arc instead of a one episode thing. They could've developed the "Evil Charmed Ones" as big bads and an actual force to contend with, especially given the reputation they developed for the Rowe history. (And like C:RR, they could've even linked it back to MW and made things make a smidge more sense. I was always a little fuzzy about how the Rowe Triangle just "appeared" too. An ancestral parallel would've helped, IMO.) |
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Post by Quadquetra on Dec 3, 2009 19:46:22 GMT -5
All I can say is wow. I suspected we hadn't seen the last of Andy  and I am thrilled that we haven't. But I am wondering how the future people knew that it was him and why them seem to show a lot of disdain for him. But now I think I see how he and Melinda knew and talked with each other it was in the After Life. Also I think it was said before about him drawing up a gun and kinda getting into the typical cop pose when they draw their weapon. But also I knew when "Matt" came back that Prue would use her power on him. Lol but Ive been wondering is this the Andy of the future or is this the Andy from this time just as Matt? lol that didn't make sense did it? But i've been thinking, the article said we would see the last of Shawn Christensen (spelled it wrong) but it didn't say T.W King so hopefully Andy will become a series regular but I cant wait to see the season finale it sounds like its gonna be explosive. But I was thinking also how could a mortal be bestowed witchly powers i mean he could have been brought back as a whitelighter but not with witch powers but lol I guess all will be revealed in the next 3 episodes. Great Job guys |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2009 1:43:37 GMT -5
Just finished "using my TiVO" to "watch" 6.18 through 6.20. I started at 10 and it's past midnight now, so I don't have time for a full review, but I simply had to write "WOW!" very simply "WOW!" There's still parts of this that I don't like and will never like, but posting a new episode at the same time for three years and following the full basic storyline--WOW! I remember how we all plotted this all out so many years ago and how fantastically wonderful you guys took those very basic plotlines: - how there could be a Power of Four that was too powerful so Piper would give up her powers so that she could have the sorta-normal life she always wanted and letting Prue, Phoebe and Paige be the second set of Charmed Ones,
- of Piper and Leo having twins--letting both Chris and Melinda be part of the story (although I do wish you'd left out the idea of twice-blessed outside of the fact that their mother is a Charmed One and their father is a whitelighter)
- the return of Andy by having him cross the thin veil on Halloween and becoming Matt and him and Prue having a daughter she named Andrea, called Drea (I remember suggesting the use of the nickname I'd used in my fic, "The Warren Curse", although I thought you guys were going to use that nickname to *not* reveal who she was until much, much later in series--although I *adore* the way you've done the whole thing) who was never meant to be and therefore screwed everything up and was the one who ended up being the evil one from the future
- and, most importantly, the idea of the Rowe Coven being part of an evil side of the family tree, the reason why all of the family trees on the original were all so inconsistent
and seeing how fantastically wonderfully you guys have taken those basic ideas and truly righting the wrongs that Kern made, well, as I said, very simply WOW! I've absolutely loved watching the way you guys plotted it out, which has been such fun spotting all of the various clues you dropped. And, of course, since I knew, I picked up on everything but was always a good girl in my reviews and didn't tell what I knew-- although you did SUCH a great job, there were times when *I* was wondering if you were sticking with the idea of Matt as Andy or if you'd changed your mind! But this is now even better! This is as far as I helped you plot stuff out. Now I have absolutely no idea what's going to happen next, since I dropped out before we had figured out how we were going to make it all work out. The idea of a trial in front of The Founders with both The Angel of Death and The Angel of Destiny totally fascinated me, so much better than The Elders and The Demons when by that time there really wasn't much difference between the two. *rolls eyes at Kern* Finally, I must specifically compliment you on how well you've written the time-travel sequences; outside of Matt being Andy, that's been my favorite part of the entire series. The future ones I can do without, but the past ones, showing how everything fits together, starting with Melinda Warren and her husband and her lover and the two branches of the family tree has been absolutely fascinating to "watch". As I said, I bow to your genius. Can't WAIT to see how this all works itself out. |
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Post by charmed4ever on Dec 8, 2009 6:39:22 GMT -5
Hi! I'm sort of new here. I've actually been reading C:RR since the very beginning and I've been following the series religiously ever since. I never posted much because I never really had anything else to say except WOW! But now that everything's gone so far along and the series is doing so great I feel it's time to let you guys know how I feel about the series. First of all, props to all of you! You guys have made this show so much butter than it was in reality, and that is something I could only dream of doing. I mean, I literally despised Kern's version of Charmed and I always wanted to know what it would be like had Prue (my favorite sister) not died, and you guys just made all my wishes come true!  So thanks for that! Now on to the latest episode. I really liked what you guys did with the whole storyline, "Matt" actually being Andy (which is something I never saw coming!) and the whole Drea never being meant to be born. And although this was arguably one of, if not the best episode of the season, strangely enough, it wasn't my favorite. I don't know, it's just some things about it that annoyed me. Some of them could be because of the fact that I've never been much of a Chris fan and I'm still not, although your Chris is way better than Kern's Chris. I've just kind of had it with the Twice Blessed Twins and all of their "I can't tell you anything because it will affect the future yet my sole purpose for being here is to change said future." I didn't like it in the original Charmed with Chris and I still don't like it here. And that's not me trying to be rude in any way, just expressing an opinion here. Another thing that annoyed me to no end was Bianca! I'm sorry, but not a fan here. Her little argument with Prue in the beginning of the episode just had me screaming for Prue to smack her ass back to the future! It just didn't really sit right with me. Nor did Phoebe and Darryl's side story. I think I know why you guys wrote it and I get that it was kind of there to show that the Charmed Ones do still have innocents that need there help and that need to be put before themselves and their own personal troubles sometimes. But in this case it just felt kind of out of place for me. The story did not interest me at all and I kept scrolling past it just to get to the "good parts" which for me consisted of scenes with Prue, Piper, Paige and Lillith. It just really felt for me like it wasn't really moving the story further along and it was dropped in there as an excuse to get Phoebe out of the whole picture, which only reminded me of the original S3 finale where Phoebe left Prue and Piper to fend for themselves while going after her demon boyfriend in the underworld. It just kind of stirred up old feelings of resentment on my part. But I get that that doesn't have anything to do with you guys or the series you're writing right now. Wow, I feel like such a negative nancy right now, hihihi. Don't worry, there were lots of things about this episode that I did like, such as Prue's fierce and somewhat blindsided determination in getting her revenge on Lillith, Piper and Paige's desperation in getting Prue off of her self-destructive path, and I do have to say I love what you guys have done with Drake's character! I love him! I also love the whole idea of a trial being set up for Andy with The Angel of Death and The Angel of Destiny. I am, however, becoming more and more afraid that you guys are planning to write Prue off the show. I mean, you guys are really putting her through the wringer, aren't you! First she finally meets a great guy after Andy's death, only to have him disappear while she finds out she's carrying his child. She gives birth to said child, finally gets her happiness in becoming a mother, only to find out that "Matt" was Andy all along and that he can't stay and that her child, her daughter, her own flesh and blood, was never meant to be and could be taken away from her in the blink of an eye. I mean, wow! All of the sisters have gone through a lot, but I don't think any one of them have ever had this much tragedy to deal with. And while I do love Piper, Phoebe and Paige, the only reason I actually started to read C:RR was because of the fact that Prue was now still in the mix and that it was about the four sisters, which I had always dreamed of seeing. But with all this talk about Prue being dead in the future and now with both Andy and Drea possibly being taken away from here, I just have this really big fear that you guys are going to write her off of the show, especially now that you've guys mentioned Holly and Alyssa being the only ones to sign on for the next season. You guys are going to kill me if I have to read the remaining seasons of C:RR without Prue in it! Wow, that was really long! I'm so sorry for rambling on for so long but these were just things I needed to get off my chest xD But know that you guys do have another fan in me, and I absolutely love what you've done with C:RR! Good job, and keep up the great work! |
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Post by Astral Echo on Dec 8, 2009 9:22:07 GMT -5
The thing about Prue is that she's extremely strong, more so than anyone else on the show and I mean anyone. And I'm not talking about power, I'm talking about inner strength.
Her storyline, her tribulations wouldn't of worked with any other sister. They would of all literally jumped off a cliff had that much pain been inflicted on them, no one can handle it like Prue can. We almost want to push her to the edge, see how far we can push her and right now, your seeing Prue at breaking point.
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Dec 8, 2009 12:01:06 GMT -5
Wow! First of all, thank you so much for your fantastic review! It was both positive and negative, but I appreciate that you expressed yourself respectfully. Nor did Phoebe and Darryl's side story. I think I know why you guys wrote it and I get that it was kind of there to show that the Charmed Ones do still have innocents that need there help and that need to be put before themselves and their own personal troubles sometimes. But in this case it just felt kind of out of place for me. The story did not interest me at all and I kept scrolling past it just to get to the "good parts" which for me consisted of scenes with Prue, Piper, Paige and Lillith. It just really felt for me like it wasn't really moving the story further along and it was dropped in there as an excuse to get Phoebe out of the whole picture, which only reminded me of the original S3 finale where Phoebe left Prue and Piper to fend for themselves while going after her demon boyfriend in the underworld. It just kind of stirred up old feelings of resentment on my part. But I get that that doesn't have anything to do with you guys or the series you're writing right now. Just one thing I wanted to comment on. You are partially right: there has been so much going on in the last influx of episodes with tying everything together, revealing the future, revealing Mandy, that innocents which is so heavily a part of the show has kind of been lost in the shuffle. So too has Darryl, who is a Main/Credit cast member. The side story was written with respect to both innocents and to Darryl. As for you feeling as though it was just a way to write Phoebe out, that wasn't the intention at all. Out of the three remaining sisters, Phoebe was ideal for the job because of her powers: mainly, her premonitions. If Piper or Paige happened to be the sister with the power of premonition, they would've been the ones to go instead. (Honestly, I had never thought about "All Hell Breaks Loose" when I was writing this, so I was not trying to channel the plot in that episode.) On a note of personal preference, I actually got more joy out of writing the Phoebe-Darryl scenes than I did the Underworld scenes, which is strange for me, since Phoebe is my least favorite of the sisters. I have found that I enjoy writing her much more in her own subplots though, particularly when she's away from her sisters. Not because I like her sisters better, but because Phoebe seems to shine more when she's away from them, in my opinion. Her powers are often "dwarfed" by those of her sisters in action intense scenes: Prue with her TK, Paige with orbing. But when Phoebe's alone, both her premonitions and even sometimes levitation have time to shine. Moments/episodes that stick out for me are: when Phoebe's powers (again, having a chance to put both levitation and premonitions to use) helped save the little girl at the carnival when her safety bar broke on the Ferris Wheel, Phoebe's premonition intense episode when she was car hunting and got linked to the man in the coma, and then her subplot in this episode with Darryl. Had Prue or Paige been with her, for example, it would have gone more like this: Phoebe gets the premonition and they orb in to save the day (and Phoebe may have gotten a few levitating enhanced kicks in). Or, Phoebe gets a premonition, they burst in and Prue uses her telekinesis to stop the gunmen and saves the day. Whereas with only Phoebe around, she had a premonition and in combination with her levitation and Darryl's talents as a cop, they were able to at least save Eric, even though sadly, Lyle didn't make it (and realistically, not all innocents can be saved all the time as the sisters have learned in the past). But anyway, that's just my take it. Phoebe may not be my favorite, but I was always very upset the way she went down the drain in the later seasons. Not just her characterization, but also because of the lack of creativity with her talents. She became much more of a sex symbol and they seemed to forget she had anything else she could bring to the table, like her premonitions. (It made me so mad when they stripped Phoebe of her powers. Of all the sisters to strip for budget cuts...  ) And while I don't think they ever should have given Phoebe levitation in the first place, they did, and it just went to waste. We try our best to make sure that doesn't happen to C:RR's Phoebe. (And I'm constantly trying to think of new and interesting ways for Phoebe to be able to put her powers - especially levitation - to use, as opposed to the old levitate-and-kick or levitate-over-the-fireball routines. I personally never think Phoebe never should've got levitation anyway since it's an extension of TK and not premonitions - Prue should've got levitation and Phoebe should've got astral projection - but since C:RR follows the canon of the first three seasons, we can't ignore that she has those powers, so we try to embrace and enhance what she's been given, which was definitely not done during the later seasons.) Egh, that last bit turned into quite the tangent. Apologies. I guess I just get very riled up when I think about what they did to Phoebe...  I'm done now!  |
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Post by Twin_Swords on Dec 8, 2009 13:12:10 GMT -5
You guys are getting all sorts of feed back since this last episode. It feels good to return and be able to offer some feed back of my own. It's theraputic for one and has even helped give me a little more inspiration to write a bit more of my Spin-Off -- which sadly has to rely on the full run of "Charmed" instead of getting to Reset Reality as your series does and take the feeling of the better seasons. Jen and I do our best with what we've got to work with, but sometimes when I think about what happened to my favorite TV show in the seasons after Constance pulled out and no longer had as much influence... after Prue left... and after the show slowly (and then more rapidly) began to do its death circle in the toilet bowl... I get frustrated. Reading your series does something to inspire me to strive to do better by "Charmed". Granted, these days with raising a baby... I don't have a whole lot of time for writing review, fanfictions or otherwise.
But when I can, I enjoy it.
As I enjoy C:RR!!!
As far as the last episode is concerned... I enjoyed reading the scenes with Darryl and Phoebe. I was glad that Phoebe did the difficult thing and chose to help their friend and an innocent. And as Fourever Charmed said, it gave Phoebe an opportunity to shine without her sisters. It showed that, while she might be the baby of the family and doesn't have the "oomph!" behind her powers that Paige or Prue (or Piper in earlier seasons) did... she can think on her feet and use the powers that she does have to their best advantage. I don't really think it was to "get rid of Phoebe" for the episode, so much as to highlight how THIS Phoebe has continued to grow in contrast to the one on the original show. This Phoebe chose to help Darryl, even when she knew it might lead to her losing Prue, where the Phoebe from the later seasons of the original series might've just told Darryl, "Sorry!" and left him to fend for himself.
Anyway, I very much enjoyed the episodes and it was nice to see Phoebe shine a little on her own without being all "Look-at-me-and-my-wonder-bra!" .... LOL.
Good work ya'll!
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Post by charmed4ever on Dec 8, 2009 18:40:18 GMT -5
Wow, you guys really aren't dimming my fear of Prue being written off, hahahaha! I do agree very much Astral Echo, about Prue being the strongest sister of the bunch. She really is and it's why I've always loved/admired her character, and it's precisely why she's my favorite sister! I really do hope she's strong enough to live through it, though! I mean, there's only so much a person can take and like you said, you guys really are pushing her to her limits, which is good I guess, cause if it doesn't kill her, it will only make her stronger in the end. And, no, thank you, Fourever Charmed! (I'm sorry, I haven't yet memorized all of your names, hihi) This show you've guys set up has been such a joy to "watch" and I really do applaud you guys for everything you've achieved so far! You've done a great job! (Just don't let it get to your head ) And I totally understand your explanation about the Phoebe/Darryl storyline. In fact, I always got it, I just didn't really like it But nonetheless, you guys did a great job with the episode overall. I do get where you're coming from about Phoebe not being able to shine when she's with her sisters. I guess she always did get the short end of the stick when it came to their powers and such, and in a weird way I think the writers of the original also saw that and tried to give Phoebe more shine away from her overpowering sisters, but they did it by way of a flaky love life, an annoying personality and basically just turning her into a sexpot and star of the show, and that just didn't work out right, at all. So I'm glad you guys have put so much work into improving this Phoebe and not letting her turn into Kern's version of Phoebe. I mean, Phoebe was never my favorite sister, but during the early seasons (s1,2 &3) I actually did like her and could tolerate her. But after season 3 I just wanted to jump in my tv and slap the hell out of the woman that she had become! It made me resent the fact that they killed off my favorite sister and actress on the show in favour of her so much! In fact, I don't think I've completely recovered from the blow just yet, hahahaha, but I'm getting there. Slowly, I'm getting to a place where I don't completely downright hate Phoebe's character, and your writing is definitely contributing to that. Shoot, I've gone on too long again, hahahaha! Anyways, I think you guys are doing a great job, and I can't wait to read the rest of the season! Hopefully you guys won't shatter my heart into a million pieces (that's me being a bit dramatic ) by killing/writing Prue off. |
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Post by Astral Chaos on Dec 9, 2009 0:43:24 GMT -5
Some 6x19 thoughts, I like the growth Phoebe exhibits in C:RR. The way her character has progressed is sooo much more believe able and organic than it was in the cannon. In Charmed Phoebe's character changed every time she cut or dyed her hair -- so much so that her character was a mere shadow of the original Phoebe. Over here at Charmed: Reset Reality, Phoebe is essentially the same character she retains the same sense of fun which attracted many to the character in the first place, however, she has become much more of an adult. And the best thing about how she has grown is that it wasn't an overnight thing, it was a slow, gradual progression. The opening line illustrates my point perfectly [PHOEBE: ( grinning) Off with your head!]. Lovely.  I enjoyed everything which went on this episode and how quickly it all happened, at times it was distracting, but I understand how it is necessary to both convey the confusion of everything going on and to start with the wrapping up of storylines and the effects they have on the characters and such. A possible hint of Melinda being bisexual? Awesome. I always dislike how TV shows generally ignore the existence of gay or bisexual people or they decide to make a main character gay half way through the series for the "shock factor". Seriously, who cares? It's. No. Big. Deal. It's a way of life, and some of the best people in this world are gay -- take my mothers best friend Simon, for example. Wonderful guy, does a lot of charity work. Oh, and a small side note: I always had a theory that Cupid's are/ should be instinctively bisexual. As physical embodiments of love, it would make sense (in my eyes at least) that they can and do except love in all forms it comes in -- if that makes any sense? Anyways, I'll continue that rant at another time. I liked the little argument between Chris and Bianca. And I agree with B, the last name should be Perry (or Halliwerry ). I think Paige would be a fitting middle name though. Wasn't all that shocked that "Matt" turned out to be Andy. It made sense. Him first appearing on Halloween, then returning on Halloween -- when the veil between realms and all that jazz is thinner. Andy not showing up until after "Matt" was gone etc, etc, etc ... I'll get to 6x20 later. |
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Dec 9, 2009 2:27:08 GMT -5
A possible hint of Melinda being bisexual? Awesome. I always dislike how TV shows generally ignore the existence of gay or bisexual people or they decide to make a main character gay half way through the series for the "shock factor". Seriously, who cares? It's. No. Big. Deal. It's a way of life, and some of the best people in this world are gay -- take my mothers best friend Simon, for example. Wonderful guy, does a lot of charity work. You're the first one to bring that up! And that's not a hint. I can confirm that one for you right now: Melinda is bisexual. We thought it fit her character quite well. (I can just hear her saying, "Girls? Boys? Who cares!") Plus, this is San Francisco, and one of my pet peeves was that the show was set in the Gay Capital of the World and we only ever got, what, two mentions of gay characters throughout the entire run of the series? Once involving a guy at the Bay Mirror having a crush on another guy and then the other happened to be one of Paige's innocents, I think it was in the pirate episode. Homosexual and bisexual characters are so under represented in television (excluding, as you mentioned, the sudden rash of shows deciding to create bisexual characters out of formerly heterosexual characters because they ran out of ideas for heterosexual partners). That's not to say that there aren't legitimate people who don't realize they are bisexual until much later in life (or hide it), but at present, it just seems like a fad among television shows, not an earnest way to represent the bisexual or homosexual community. Oh, and a small side note: I always had a theory that Cupid's are/ should be instinctively bisexual. As physical embodiments of love, it would make sense (in my eyes at least) that they can and do except love in all forms it comes in -- if that makes any sense? Anyways, I'll continue that rant at another time. Wow, I never thought of that before, but now that you put it that it, it makes a world of sense! I think I'm going to adopt that theory. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 9:33:54 GMT -5
I've been thinking about the Phoebe/Darryl discussion and had to throw in my two cents. I also wondered if Phoebe was being pulled away to prevent her from saving Prue (especially due to the long flights), but then I kept expecting Prue to die in this episode. But even knowing that, I liked what Phoebe did, more because it was the exact opposite of what Canon Phoebe--Canon Phoebe left her sisters behind for love of Cole; CRR Phoebe her sisters behind to help save an innocent, and more than just an innocent, the nephew of a friend (I loved getting to see Darryl back), so although I wish it had happened sooner and that story had lasted longer (it went too fast for me), I liked it.
The part that I felt was out-of-place much more than Phoebe/Darryl was Paige/Drake. Paige's sister is in trouble and she's wasting time lusting for Drake and singing Fever--she reminded me much more of Canon Phoebe than CRR Phoebe did.
Funny. Canon Drake brought back my Phoebs for a single episode; you guys have brought her back for the entire series. Instead CRR Drake is turning Paige into PaigeME, the way Cole turned Phoebe into PhoeME. No, don't like this at all. I do hope Paige realizes this is nothing but heat between them (Fever) and goes back to Glenn, the best guy for her in this series the way Canon Henry was the best guy for Canon Paige.. |
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Post by Astral Chaos on Dec 9, 2009 10:35:11 GMT -5
I've been thinking about the Phoebe/Darryl discussion and had to throw in my two cents. I also wondered if Phoebe was being pulled away to prevent her from saving Prue (especially due to the long flights), but then I kept expecting Prue to die in this episode. But even knowing that, I liked what Phoebe did, more because it was the exact opposite of what Canon Phoebe--Canon Phoebe left her sisters behind for love of Cole; CRR Phoebe her sisters behind to help save an innocent, and more than just an innocent, the nephew of a friend (I loved getting to see Darryl back), so although I wish it had happened sooner and that story had lasted longer (it went too fast for me), I liked it.
The part that I felt was out-of-place much more than Phoebe/Darryl was Paige/Drake. Paige's sister is in trouble and she's wasting time lusting for Drake and singing Fever--she reminded me much more of Canon Phoebe than CRR Phoebe did.
Funny. Canon Drake brought back my Phoebs for a single episode; you guys have brought her back for the entire series. Instead CRR Drake is turning Paige into PaigeME, the way Cole turned Phoebe into PhoeME. No, don't like this at all. I do hope Paige realizes this is nothing but heat between them (Fever) and goes back to Glenn, the best guy for her in this series the way Canon Henry was the best guy for Canon Paige.. Now Es, subtly will get you nowhere.
Anyways, I find it odd that you never made a big deal out of Phoebe, Melinda and Leo sitting back, relaxing and playing cards whilst Paige and Chris are stuck in the future with Drea and Volac. Funny that, isn't it?
Oh, and I agree with you about Paige and Drake, they have heat. That's about it. Glenn is the character most suited to Paige, they have the strongest connection -- though, at times I feel like Glenn is almost too much of a brotherly figure to Paige. However, I disagree with Paige becoming PaigeME. Though, I could be the only one who does disagree with you. Paige hasn't had an important/substantial enough role in C:RR yet to become, PaigeME. Though, that's just my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 10:50:10 GMT -5
I've been thinking about the Phoebe/Darryl discussion and had to throw in my two cents. I also wondered if Phoebe was being pulled away to prevent her from saving Prue (especially due to the long flights), but then I kept expecting Prue to die in this episode. But even knowing that, I liked what Phoebe did, more because it was the exact opposite of what Canon Phoebe--Canon Phoebe left her sisters behind for love of Cole; CRR Phoebe left her sisters behind to help save an innocent, and more than just an innocent, the nephew of a friend (I loved getting to see Darryl back), so although I wish it had happened sooner and that story had lasted longer (it went too fast for me), I liked it.
The part that I felt was out-of-place much more than Phoebe/Darryl was Paige/Drake. Paige's sister is in trouble and she's wasting time lusting for Drake and singing Fever--she reminded me much more of Canon Phoebe in All Hell Breaks Loose than CRR Phoebe did.
Funny. Canon Drake brought back my Phoebs for a single episode; you guys have brought her back for the entire series. Instead CRR Drake is turning Paige into PaigeME, the way Cole turned Phoebe into PhoeME. No, don't like this at all. I do hope Paige realizes this is nothing but heat between them (Fever) and goes back to Glenn, the best guy for her in this series the way Canon Henry was the best guy for Canon Paige.. Now Es, subtly will get you nowhere.
Anyways, I find it odd that you never made a big deal out of Phoebe, Melinda and Leo sitting back, relaxing and playing cards whilst Paige and Chris are stuck in the future with Drea and Volac. Funny that, isn't it?
Oh, and I agree with you about Paige and Drake, they have heat. That's about it. Glenn is the character most suited to Paige, they have the strongest connection -- though, at times I feel like Glenn is almost too much of a brotherly figure to Paige. However, I disagree with Paige becoming PaigeME. Though, I could be the only one who does disagree with you. Paige hasn't had an important/substantial enough role in C:RR yet to become, PaigeME. Though, that's just my opinion. LOL! I've never been accused of being subtle, the same way subtlety always goes right over my head.
Well, it was already very clear that those in the past couldn't do anything about Paige being stuck in the future. Again, as Fourever Charmed pointed out, I loved the card game because Phoebs was just so Phoebs!
And, yes, Glenn is like a brother for Paige--happens when you grow up together--but Prue and Andy have the same relationship and he treats her the same way once in awhile and I don't see too many people complaining about them as a couple. In this series, until when/if Glenn finds and falls for Jessie, he's the best guy for her the way Andy is the best guy for Prue. |
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Post by Astral Chaos on Dec 9, 2009 11:16:41 GMT -5
Now Es, subtly will get you nowhere.
Anyways, I find it odd that you never made a big deal out of Phoebe, Melinda and Leo sitting back, relaxing and playing cards whilst Paige and Chris are stuck in the future with Drea and Volac. Funny that, isn't it?
Oh, and I agree with you about Paige and Drake, they have heat. That's about it. Glenn is the character most suited to Paige, they have the strongest connection -- though, at times I feel like Glenn is almost too much of a brotherly figure to Paige. However, I disagree with Paige becoming PaigeME. Though, I could be the only one who does disagree with you. Paige hasn't had an important/substantial enough role in C:RR yet to become, PaigeME. Though, that's just my opinion. LOL! I've never been accused of being subtle, the same way subtlety always goes right over my head.
Well, it was already very clear that those in the past couldn't do anything about Paige being stuck in the future. Again, as Fourever Charmed pointed out, I loved the card game because Phoebs was just so Phoebs!
And, yes, Glenn is like a brother for Paige--happens when you grow up together--but Prue and Andy have the same relationship and he treats her the same way once in awhile and I don't see too many people complaining about them as a couple. In this series, until when/if Glenn finds and falls for Jessie, he's the best guy for her the way Andy is the best guy for Prue. Ah, being subtle. An artform I have yet to attempt. I too loved the card game -- it showed that whilst Phoebe has matured, she is still Pheebs at heart. My point was (which I should have elaborated upon) what is Paige going to do? Same goes for Piper and Phoebe. The Angel of Destiny is the one holding the power. And plus, I highly doubt Prue would want her sisters around when she breaks down. I half expect her to do an Astral freakout of sorts (like she did at P&L's wedding). You know, retreat into a baggage-free identity. And yes, that is what happens when you grow up with someone. I just don't like how it's played upon in shows (and movies) including C:RR. As for Prue and Andy, I like them in theory. Not so much when put into practice, because of said brother-sister relationship -- same applies for Paige and Glenn. I'd like to see Prue end up with Mitch, I'm really liking them as a couple, though, he seems to perfect almost ... As for Paige, I'd like to see her end up on her own. Though, I could also see her getting together with a fellow social worker (with whom she adopts a bunch of kids). |
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Post by Drama on Dec 9, 2009 13:13:03 GMT -5
Prue/Andy, Paige/Glenn. I feed off of BFF relationships. Harry/Hermione (HP), Michael/Isabel (Roswell), Chuck/Blair, Nate/Serena, Dan/Vanessa (Gossip Girl). And none of those relationships do I feel a "brother-sister" vibe from.
Difference of opinion. I'm used to it and people not agreeing with my preferences. It's how I am.
(Then again, I actually do ship stepsiblings, too... Kathryn/Sebastian (Cruel Intentions), Grace/Eli (Once and Again), Serena/Chuck (Gossip Girl)..so I guess I don't know what that really says about me.)
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and I am thrilled that we haven't. But I am wondering how the future people knew that it was him and why them seem to show a lot of disdain for him. But now I think I see how he and Melinda knew and talked with each other it was in the After Life.
So thanks for that! 
) And while I don't think they ever should have given Phoebe levitation in the first place, they did, and it just went to waste. We try our best to make sure that doesn't happen to C:RR's Phoebe. (And I'm constantly trying to think of new and interesting ways for Phoebe to be able to put her powers - especially levitation - to use, as opposed to the old levitate-and-kick or levitate-over-the-fireball routines. I personally never think Phoebe never should've got levitation anyway since it's an extension of TK and not premonitions - Prue should've got levitation and Phoebe should've got astral projection - but since C:RR follows the canon of the first three seasons, we can't ignore that she has those powers, so we try to embrace and enhance what she's been given, which was definitely not done during the later seasons.)
I'm done now! 
