Post by xrs on Jun 19, 2007 12:28:01 GMT -5
I think that ther are some things that require my attention...
To DRAMA: Maybe i was misunderstood. What i wanted to say (i'm afraid it didn't come out very well) was that there is a UNconscious number of themes that influence almost all of our creative writing, as European/Western society members, in such a way that it has become a second nature to us, to use these themes without even knowing that we do! And yes the example with quake was far fetched (VERY far fetched...) During my studies a lot of my teachers said that i carried my "no coincedence" theory a little too far sometimes. It's obvious that they lied! [grin] Thank you though, because that means you read all that text paying attention. I only hope it was helpful. After all, that is the purpose of all these messages. If you, the writers, start manipulating these themes consciously, NOT by accident or coincedence (notice my dislike of the word...), you can put down your thoughts in a better manner, for our (and yours naturally) "viewing" pleasure. I'm completely selfless, you see...
To FOREVER YOURS: Sorry if this "i know it all" came out as too cocky. All i wanted to point out was that, as you yourself have implied too, you have pre-planned the series. If i haven't said it before, i find this EXEPTIONAL. Why? Because this way there will be no contradictions, no continuity issues, like the ones that occured TOO often in "Kerniad" (from S5 till the end). In the end of course, you are going to face two types of reviews. One kind that will tell you how happy, even extatic, about C:RR they are and another that might even shout, like in the old theaters, "give us our money back!" I have little doubt that i will belong in the first category (you have to mess up very badly, after this season finale, for me to change my mind). BUT that (the planning) makes you somewhat predictable. Bear in mind, this is a sign of realism, not of failure. To give you an example: When i saw "Batman Begins", the strongest attempt this far by a movie to lay out the Batman myth in a more realistic/plausible manner, i knew (believe it or not) where they were heading the moment i heard that Dr. Crane worked for "someone else", other than the Gotham criminal underworld. Dit it matter? NO. Why? Because the predictability of the movie made the final outcome even more unexpected. I didn't know if all the "supporting" characters would survive. And with Nolan's reputation, you couldn't even be sure if Batman would survive! (the title of the film was a give-away, but can you be sure, if its a "realistic" take on the story?) When you first implied that a Halliwell would die, i was instantly afraid for Phoebe (all these hints...) or Prue. I hadn't predicted that Piper could get hurt (ha!). The predictability of someone being killed made the final outcome even more saspensful. It was the PREDICTABILITY that made this full of saspence not the other way around. This technique was originally used in the ancient Greek tragedy "Oedipus Rex" (Sophocles) were EVERYBODY knows of the tragic fate of Oedipus, but yet nobody can walk away. It is the HOW, not the End itself, that keeps you seated till the tragic end. Remember some reviews (sadly i don't remember by whom now) begging you not to kill off one of the sisters? They expressed my feelings also; you had me worried for real there! Because i know (VERY roughly) were this is heading doesn't mean that i think this is boring, or on an "auto pilot". Far from it. And i like plot twists and surprises; i have no doubt you have some "waiting" for me... That is good!
Last, but not least, JH7058622: I will say only this: You are correct. Phoebe CAN be categorized as "fire" and Prue as "air". I always try to rember this: When one tries to interprit fictional characters by such symbolic means, alternate "identifications" have their merit. Bear in mind i still think that my symbolical "i.d." is better, but yours is not bad too, far from it. Our "divide" was caused by the fact that i, originally, tried to interprit the characters by a different code of symbolism, the Logic(Prue)/Balance(Piper)/Emotion(Phoebe) code (3+1, Paige [Unity/ Manifestation of Love] the "outcome" [in this symbolism] of the 3 first. Together they form ONE power, the Power of 4). Logic is assosiated with fire, not air while emotions change "direction", like the wind. BUT, if you interprit them according to more ancient themes then, yes, there can be Prue(Zeus, father of the Gods, ruler of the air), Piper (Hera, mother of the Gods, ruler of the earth) Phoebe (Hades, ruler of the Underworld-phoebe is in love with a creature of that world and has a link with the Nexus, located UNDER the earth) and Paige (Poseidon, ruler of the water that beautifies the creation of the Gods/Water that beautifies the planet, comlpleting it). See? By the way i liked your banner, too. Keep it up; make one for me, too (laugh). Glad to see such a keen interest on this, by the way. People many times don't show interest at all in understanding the "guiding motives" of writing, so they end up "losing" their characters, in favor of their story (see how Kern and Ms Milano turned poor Phoebe at the end of the show? To Freebie) I was very glad that i saw such respect for that particular character in C:RR. I now have a better opinion about Phoebe than the one i got from Kern in S5 (or Feebiad).
And now the Quiz of the week (If you win, you get... i'll tell you later).
Carl Jung identified four leading characters in European/Western myths: One that is Emotion, one that is Sensation, one that is Inspiration and one that is Thought (the four manifestations of the human psyche). Which of the four sisters is which? If you want, try to answer. If not, i'm going to tell you anyway (poor ones...)
till we meet again,
xrs
To DRAMA: Maybe i was misunderstood. What i wanted to say (i'm afraid it didn't come out very well) was that there is a UNconscious number of themes that influence almost all of our creative writing, as European/Western society members, in such a way that it has become a second nature to us, to use these themes without even knowing that we do! And yes the example with quake was far fetched (VERY far fetched...) During my studies a lot of my teachers said that i carried my "no coincedence" theory a little too far sometimes. It's obvious that they lied! [grin] Thank you though, because that means you read all that text paying attention. I only hope it was helpful. After all, that is the purpose of all these messages. If you, the writers, start manipulating these themes consciously, NOT by accident or coincedence (notice my dislike of the word...), you can put down your thoughts in a better manner, for our (and yours naturally) "viewing" pleasure. I'm completely selfless, you see...
To FOREVER YOURS: Sorry if this "i know it all" came out as too cocky. All i wanted to point out was that, as you yourself have implied too, you have pre-planned the series. If i haven't said it before, i find this EXEPTIONAL. Why? Because this way there will be no contradictions, no continuity issues, like the ones that occured TOO often in "Kerniad" (from S5 till the end). In the end of course, you are going to face two types of reviews. One kind that will tell you how happy, even extatic, about C:RR they are and another that might even shout, like in the old theaters, "give us our money back!" I have little doubt that i will belong in the first category (you have to mess up very badly, after this season finale, for me to change my mind). BUT that (the planning) makes you somewhat predictable. Bear in mind, this is a sign of realism, not of failure. To give you an example: When i saw "Batman Begins", the strongest attempt this far by a movie to lay out the Batman myth in a more realistic/plausible manner, i knew (believe it or not) where they were heading the moment i heard that Dr. Crane worked for "someone else", other than the Gotham criminal underworld. Dit it matter? NO. Why? Because the predictability of the movie made the final outcome even more unexpected. I didn't know if all the "supporting" characters would survive. And with Nolan's reputation, you couldn't even be sure if Batman would survive! (the title of the film was a give-away, but can you be sure, if its a "realistic" take on the story?) When you first implied that a Halliwell would die, i was instantly afraid for Phoebe (all these hints...) or Prue. I hadn't predicted that Piper could get hurt (ha!). The predictability of someone being killed made the final outcome even more saspensful. It was the PREDICTABILITY that made this full of saspence not the other way around. This technique was originally used in the ancient Greek tragedy "Oedipus Rex" (Sophocles) were EVERYBODY knows of the tragic fate of Oedipus, but yet nobody can walk away. It is the HOW, not the End itself, that keeps you seated till the tragic end. Remember some reviews (sadly i don't remember by whom now) begging you not to kill off one of the sisters? They expressed my feelings also; you had me worried for real there! Because i know (VERY roughly) were this is heading doesn't mean that i think this is boring, or on an "auto pilot". Far from it. And i like plot twists and surprises; i have no doubt you have some "waiting" for me... That is good!
Last, but not least, JH7058622: I will say only this: You are correct. Phoebe CAN be categorized as "fire" and Prue as "air". I always try to rember this: When one tries to interprit fictional characters by such symbolic means, alternate "identifications" have their merit. Bear in mind i still think that my symbolical "i.d." is better, but yours is not bad too, far from it. Our "divide" was caused by the fact that i, originally, tried to interprit the characters by a different code of symbolism, the Logic(Prue)/Balance(Piper)/Emotion(Phoebe) code (3+1, Paige [Unity/ Manifestation of Love] the "outcome" [in this symbolism] of the 3 first. Together they form ONE power, the Power of 4). Logic is assosiated with fire, not air while emotions change "direction", like the wind. BUT, if you interprit them according to more ancient themes then, yes, there can be Prue(Zeus, father of the Gods, ruler of the air), Piper (Hera, mother of the Gods, ruler of the earth) Phoebe (Hades, ruler of the Underworld-phoebe is in love with a creature of that world and has a link with the Nexus, located UNDER the earth) and Paige (Poseidon, ruler of the water that beautifies the creation of the Gods/Water that beautifies the planet, comlpleting it). See? By the way i liked your banner, too. Keep it up; make one for me, too (laugh). Glad to see such a keen interest on this, by the way. People many times don't show interest at all in understanding the "guiding motives" of writing, so they end up "losing" their characters, in favor of their story (see how Kern and Ms Milano turned poor Phoebe at the end of the show? To Freebie) I was very glad that i saw such respect for that particular character in C:RR. I now have a better opinion about Phoebe than the one i got from Kern in S5 (or Feebiad).
And now the Quiz of the week (If you win, you get... i'll tell you later).
Carl Jung identified four leading characters in European/Western myths: One that is Emotion, one that is Sensation, one that is Inspiration and one that is Thought (the four manifestations of the human psyche). Which of the four sisters is which? If you want, try to answer. If not, i'm going to tell you anyway (poor ones...)
till we meet again,
xrs
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